Jenna Suffern, comedian

Jenna Suffern is a Sydney-based comedian, producer and writer.

One half of comedy due Two Queers Walk Into a Bar, a writer and producer for Pedestrian.TV and VICE AU, and the star of her own one-woman show, It's Not Funny, It's Private, Jenna has helped curate a flourishing queer comedy safe space in Sydney and beyond.

We recorded this conversation live in the studio, on Gadigal land, and had a lot of fun – apologies in advance for the hijinks. We managed to discuss music by Leagues, Janelle Monáe, and G Flip.

Listen to all previous guest choices in one handy Spotify playlist, Selections from Tracks of Our Queers and follow the pod on Instagram.

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Hello. Welcome to tracks about quiz. My name is Andy Gott. And each episode I chat to a fascinating queer person about one song, one album, and one artist. They've soundtrack their life. Jenna Suffern is a Sydney-based comedian and producer. Her engaging presence and a flare for performance has ensured her spot is much more than a prominent Sydney lesbian in her words. Bringing an off the cuff and cookie approach to her comedy. She's a familiar voice for pedestrian TV and vice Australia and producers in host the queer comedy room. Two queers walk into a bar. As well as her one woman show, it's not funny. It's private. Earlier this year, Jenna helped curate and organize The two queers comedy festival in conjunction with the city of Sydney. And it's a pleasure to have her on tracks of our careers. For this conversation, Janet joined me in the studio for a raucous and sublime chat, Covering everything from handling Heckerling to gender identity Through her wonderful musical selections. Not that you would mind I'm sure. But there is plenty of swearing in this chat in case there are other people around while you listen. Producing this podcast is very much a one queer band and listen to contributions, go a huge way in keeping the light switched on and the show at free. If you're interested in supporting me, you can do so by buying me a coffee through the link in the show notes. Alternatively leaving a rating or review is also greatly appreciated. It's a free and easy way to help the podcast reach new listeners. Thank you in advance for your support. Enough from me over to Jenna. Jenna Saffirn, welcome to Tracks of Our Queers. my gosh, here, we're queer, get used to it. On a scale of one to absolutely obsessed, where would you place your passion for music and the role it plays in your life? give it a Oh wow, okay. look really shocked. You're the right guest for this show. I don't know, I've just always loved music, but I think music's always had such an important part of my life, like, I feel like I have a soundtrack to my life. Like, I'll look at a moment and be like, that's that song. Also working in video and film. I'm always backing track who's just you know? perfect song swear, Yeah okay, well that was wonderful. So, you're I'm from, yeah, don't judge actually born in America. Yeah, shock twist. about this. so I was born in America. My mum is Australian, my dad's American. Um, they met? I can't, I can't remember. They met! They did meet! They met. and we're living in Florida. had a, I have a twin, so had us. And then. One day my mum was like outside and just a car drove past a deer on the top, you know, cause they'd been hunting. and she was like, I gotta get out of here. not the place So we moved back to Yeah. Well, I mean, Florida, Queensland. What's worse. I don't know. They're pretty they're pretty similar. we moved to Brisbane when I was like three months old. Okay, now, when you cast your mind back to your childhood, Mae, that, you probably don't have any musical memories from Florida, I'm assuming, but what was the soundtrack to growing up at home? Cast your mind back, what is playing in the home, in the car. I mean, the first thing that comes to my head is like all by tattoo. Absolutely. I remember having that like illness, Having that on a so into my dad, like my dad's house and just listening to that going, what does it mean? Um, that you sister. Absolutely. Because they're sisters. Wait, are they? No, that's the Veronicas. No, but they marketed it so it was like they were but they were also fucking. Not the Veronicas. Anyway, spiralling. Okay. Okay. I'd like some kind of, speaking of podcasts, I'd like, like a bit of an investigation into Tattoo. Let's hear from them now. What was going on there? Yeah. let's get them on and welcome to the pod. They're probably fans of the pod, so. We've dialed them in right now. welcome tattoo. Okay, so tell me about how you started your journey to becoming a, in your words, prominent Sydney lesbian. Okay, well I do say it's in my words, but the reason I add that to all of my bios just came up to me once and was like, I know you, you're a been called in my life. so journey to becoming a prominent Sydney lesbian. I moved here when I was like, well, came out as a lesbian when I was 23 and it was like, bye, I'm moving to weeks later. moved to Newtown, incredible place to be and baby, baby dyke. and then what I do, just, Messed around for a bit and then started doing comedy. now I talk about my stage. And prominence has, has Well, this was before I became a comedian too. So this person like, flirted with me. of me. I was like, am I a ho? Okay, okay. And I love this. I've got a big name with me in the studio now, all the way from Newtown, Janice Affirm. how did you fall into comedy? How did you find that path? I had friends that were doing comedy. I was also dating a Um, and it was just like, Um, and then went, like that was a while. And then Went through this breakup and essentially was made redundant from my Oh, right, okay. Dumped and started doing standup comedy all the same Okay. So perfect Well, they would say perfect ingredients for, you know, mining your tragedy, etc. and that is where my brain goes to whenever I picture maybe I'm watching someone on stage and or I'm watching a special and I'm like, could I do that? I don't know. The overwhelming fear of telling a joke which shites itself and no one laughs. ask, really horrible. how do you work through that? I'm on a lot of Lexapro, and I do a lot of therapy. drag Yeah, yeah, yeah, Lexa ho! Yes. It sucks and you've just kind of got to do it. I remember a comedian just gotta eat shit. just gotta do it, you'll never grow. And I was like, just really good and I'm really well on stage. And then I really found out the hard way that that is not true. but you've just, yeah, you gotta suck it up. I also like to pretend that Comedian Jenna is an actor and it's a So if they hate it, I'm like, well, that's not mine. so, heckling. Heckling, yeah. I hate heckling so much, but I also love it because if someone heckles the entire audience wants you the comedian to So all you need to do is something even like, okay, or something as long as you remain your Yes. go back at them or ignore them, audience will be like, ahahaha. Yes. Unless of course you're being like problematic on stage, Then you should be heckled and food off stage. But that's so true. I've never really thought of it so clearly that when I have been rarely witnessed to some awful heckler, I'm never on the heckler's side. want to see that person succeed. so like, it is queer. that And that was the first brick that was thrown at was thrown at Stonewall with the Oh good, now I'm gonna get cancelled. my gosh, no, staying in. Tell me about the two queers. Now, you are known in Sydney, I would say, for curating an incredible comedy festival earlier this year. You've had a few, one woman, sorry, one person. comedy shows. you have this partnership with your best friend, the two queers. How did that come about? So, it was about maybe three weeks into me starting doing stand up comedy, and had This horrible experience on stage where I had to follow this person and they were just talking about how cocaine is what he date rape drug. Horrendous. And were people laughing? think there was like awkward laughter, but then the MC just got up and was like, okay, our next comedian is Jenna Saffron. And I was like, great. I love this. I love to feel safe. and I got off stage and bombed because like, obviously no one can follow that. Like the audience is just thinking about. and that's when I met my comedy partner, Brendan. And he had said, I just really wish there nights. I was like, Oh my God, me too. I had no job at this point, so it was great. so we met the next morning for coffee and I had booked in the venue and, got our first line up locked up because that's behaviour run at it. And Brendan came up with to a Bar. went. That was years ago. You spoke about safety and We know, inherently, and many of the listeners of this would know without needing it spout out the importance of safety in queer spaces, but safety for me doesn't necessarily always go hand in hand with humour. How do you navigate creating, a very safe space for the audience to come and be themselves while still feeling like you're not necessarily treading on eggshells with the kind of humor and maybe not even yourself but the comedians that you're putting on the lineup. Yeah, I think comedians, or queer are inherently funnier. And also Aunt Dickhead. So it makes it a lot easier in that regard. but we, I mean, as a comedian, my rule is that I'll never punch down. I'll always punch up. and it's usually paying myself out. Um, but we also have a rule where we always kind of see the comedians in standup show or something before we would book them.'cause just I hate to say it, but some of us are bad. Some of us. Um, but what's important in that regard is that The audience feels safe to go, but the comedians And so it's just so lovely when we look around the queer sometimes there's allies. They're allowed, they're allowed. Um, and it's queer comedians and you don't have to explain the joke. Like, I don't have to explain what u hauling is. Or lesbian bed death, you know? They just know what it is. I, I'm, I'm blessed to know what u hauling is, but I actually am not sure on lesbian bed death. Can you please educate me? my gosh. So it's like a stereotype and investigation that has been going on for centuries. Okay, where when start dating, they'll just like, stay then at home, hibernate, have Oh! yeah, you think it's the other one. So I knew the hibernating bit, but not the not having sex. Yeah, there's some there's a bit of a divide. Some people think lesbian bed death is that they hibernate, have sex, stay at home. Some think it's like hibernate, but like there's also no sex. But I think it's just like you're happy with each other. You're best friends. Is there a podcast in this, perhaps? god, yes, let's, we're gonna, so, oh god, we're busy, we've got the tattoo and we've got the lesbian bed death investigation, okay? okay. So, other things I love about the two queers. You've had quotations and reviews along the lines of It's like a gay watering hole for Sydney queer culture. Yeah, they are queer. I've seen you in a watering You have, you have, yeah. but in particular, the festival you curated earlier in this year for Mardi Gras, um, I'm sure you are aware of this, but for listeners who aren't sure, uh, the festival, the, the opening gala was at this, venue called Paddington Town Hall, which when I moved to Sydney, I just saw it as this kind rich white person community space. And I wasn't fully aware of that venue's queer history until a couple of years ago when I was thoroughly scored in that the earliest, biggest Mardi Gras parties were held at Paddington Town Hall. and they were Just debaucherous affairs of the likes that we can't imagine and I love the idea that all these years later You were taking this thoroughly queer event to probably quite a gentrified Venue now and kind of taking it back to its queer roots well, because it was the very first Mardi Gras incident happened there. and you know what's funny? cause we picked that spot because of that exact reason. Great And after the show, I looked at Brendan that one. So I'm really hoping that everyone listening now knows that story, because we were like, we pick this day prior? hire? you did it didn't even get to say that one line about like, we did it for community. Well you've got the mic now, and we've, set the record straight. Uh, pardon the pun. But, what was it like putting on your first festival? I loved it. No, it was, it was great. It was a lot of work. but I guess it's that lovely moment of like You're like, really lovely. my girlfriend did say to me after the festival. I'm glad we found things that you'll push yourself to because having a full time job and doing it but next year, which is a learning, a learning, and and better and with more people Absolutely. It's healthy to find limits, boundaries, but also an incredible achievement. What role does music play in your comedy? So, I have a toxic trait where I am convinced that with one singing lesson I would be Cause I can't sing. But I was like, Oh, I reckon just Um, so I choose to Great. And people are still buying tickets. It is weirdly. Okay, but I like to think that comedy just like speaking loudly with and with a like really cunty backing That's, that's what singing but I love musical comedy and I love and so I always try to because I think it can tell a so much especially. I love musicians, but I also hate them as a stand up comedian, because they get to get up on stage and tell a beautiful story about an ex, but it's, you know, sung, so it's nice and people are loving And it's essentially them saying, I hate my ex, All too well Taylor Swift. It's something Selling out stadiums, else. It's something else now that I'm saying that. But like, as a comedian, you've just kind of got to not, obviously I wouldn't say that like so bluntly. Like, my ex is a cunt, because that's not funny. But like, you've got to think of like, I think you have to work harder to like, I don't know what I'm trying to say here. I just think musicians have it Okay, you heard it here first on Trucks of Arquees. Jennifer Fern is anti musician. Well, yeah, because when I do stand up and when I do my hour show, it's not like, word, word, laugh, word, word, laugh. Like I like to more of like a story with laughter And then what I love about music is, I can cut that world and go, Into another world. And really be like, we're being kooky and silly now. I'm pretending I'm a housewife who watches reality TV, you know. And then we go back to me on a mic speaking. It's a bookend. Bookend! It's gorgeous. Love it. Okay, right. Well, we're going to jump into your selections. This entire podcast purpose is to figure out and understand the relationship that queer people have with music. Before we get into your selections could you summarize the role that music plays in your life as specifically a queer person? Well, it's the lesbian longing, Just the constant, like, Craving? someone like Moona can just perfectly sum that up. whenever I'm sad, I will music. I'm that person. Like, I'm You lean gonna, lean in hard to and just really hurt myself by listening to these sad but the same goes when I'm happy. If I'm like, I'm going out, I need to pump myself up. I'm going to put on, example that's not Kylie? Well, you've picked Kylie now, so Yeah. you draw strength, you find solace. The The queer themes. Tell me about the track you selected and why. get thought it's so hard, I know you know this because I get this feedback a lot from guests. They all hate it. You all hate it. so hard because I've got so much and it always and I was no, I need to think what is like these moments that have spoken to So this song, when I was thinking, I was like, Oh, it's gotta be So You're probably wondering, Jenna, why have you picked this song? It is by a couple of straight white get enough airtime. They don't get enough airtime. So what are they doing on Jenna prominent Sydney lesbian's list of songs? So I want to take you back to a 22 year old Jenna who's still living in Brisbane and thinks she's straight. was watching Orange is the New Black on Netflix. And, have you seen it? Absolutely. every episode. well let me paint a picture. Alex Is it Piper? Alex and Piper. Yeah. Okay, let picture. Piper has been downstairs in lockup by herself in solitude for days. Alex is upstairs thinking about her. For those that don't know, they are exes who are now in the same jail. Yeah, it's complicated. Piper has had time to reflect about her life. She is let out of solitude, comes out, and then this song starts playing. It's called Walking Backwards by Leagues, and it's just this moment where she looks sad and you can just see in her eyes all of a second, like, all of a second. And it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom. And she's just starts walking and she sees Alex and Alex is like, Oh my God, great, you're out. She doesn't say anything, grabs her hand, walks her through the prison into the chapel and they start going at it. And just as they start going at it, the lyrics go, I've been looking for a new emotion, boom. And in that moment, I went, What the fuck?! that exact moment, I shit you not, I went, Oh no, I think I'm a lesbian. I think after that telling, I might be as well. Welcome. just remember like being so perplexed, aroused, excited at the future. Like, and just the fact that it was like, I didn't even realise this, but that's so lesbian. Like you're in prison with your ex and you're going to hook up. it. Being taken back to that time, that was really when like Netflix just announced itself to the world. I've actually never done a repeat watching of Orange is the New Black. I've watched every episode but I think now is the time. Well I can tell you I've watched that three minute section multiple times bet you have. but it's, especially good. But now the song does sound like the future. it's like a hopeful song. It's like we're moving forward. That combined with what you were watching on screen. I am curious to the cogs that were ticking in your brain as to, oh okay this is it now, this is me, that's my future. What was going on outside of Orange is the New Black? You know, I'm sure Orange is the New Black did turn a lot of people gay, but what else was going on in your life at that I think, like, I didn't know. I just wasn't until I started working at Grilled on West Cross Road in Brisbane, and I met two queer people. Yeah, that's, you know, what they say about a kidney fries, gay Yes. and so I always had crushes on my best friends but time, such a gay thing but I think it just, I kept pushing it down, pushing it down. I was like, this isn't normal. It's fine. It's not real. Yes, I've had sex with seven and a half men, but it's fine. because that can we talk about the Yeah. Okay, so I said seven and a half, but I realized that's what I say now, because I did have Okay, okay. Got it. because I wanted to have fiancé. Okay, got it. Because like, yeah, I kept trying to have sex with men and I hated it. I was like, nah, it's a me problem. and then I just saw that and it was so freeing and just so cool and hot. And I was like, I wear glasses, Alex wears glasses. I'm Alex, and I'm gonna go out there and hook up with a girl. And then, I saw that, didn't come out for a while, but told all my friends I was gonna have a and I made up a theme song for it, because music plays a part of my life, it it was, Jenna's lesbian experience! It was more like a catchphrase. I was like, I'm And I was like, I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna go kiss and have sex with a girl. And everyone was like, I think you might be a lesbian. And I was like, no, no, no. no, no, no. What are the chances of you just jumping into the studio, maybe and record, laying down some tracks for that? And we can insert that into the podcast. I think that's got legs. God we're busy. you feel when you hear that song now? Oh my god it makes me so happy. Like I just listened to it and I'm that's like such a cool to be able to, and I talk about how like music is that like soundtrack of your life, but like to think back at little baby Jenna, even though I was quite old to be coming out at 23, but thinking of that, like, that's when I knew, and that's when I admitted to myself, and I was scared, but look at me now, I'm shaking my ass on stage at Paddington Town Hall where the first Mardi Gras happened. but not telling the audience But not telling the audience because I have ADHD! still No, I think that is just so wonderful because, look, I did the research, I quickly put two and two together, really, Orange is the New Black, but it's a coming out song. And coming out songs are some of the most special songs in our entire lives because in a way it's like day zero of the person that you are now. and I want to thank those two straight men for helping me realise Jenna's a fan that I'm a lesbian. tell me about the album you picked and why. why. Oh, okay. I also very much struggled with this because I was like, there's so many albums that I listen to. Phoebe Bridges is my like, nap time, sleep time, sad time. Moona, Girl in Red, like there's so many, like, possibilities. I was like, no, none of these have a story, they're just like, Jenna is a sad And then I was like, oh my god, I've got it! Dirty Computer by Janelle Monae. she released a visual album which is just, because I love a music video, but to tell an entire story, like from start and it was queer and hot the way you make me feel came out, and I was going through a bit of a like Weird time in my life, let's say. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, first First first of, two and a half Met in Brisbane? No, in Sydney. Sydney? Yeah. But she was from Brisbane. Funny story. Anyway, yeah, shut up, John. I'll tell the She worked at the Yeah, she was the other queer! Um, we, yes, met in, Anyway, whatever. Broke up and I had the biggest, fattest crush which we all know is going to be a problem, especially when they've never hooked up with a girl before. It can It can only well. It can only end well. and this song came out and that's when we were kind of, we were really flirty. We were smooching. Like I was like this. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I really missed that. wait. Yeah, like she'd never hooked up with a girl until me. Yeah. and how, was this at a party? Was it at the park? so we We had a big group of mutual friends. Um, we played in the same fucking netball Um, and I just like, I remember from the moment I met her, I was like, Oh fuck. Like I'm in trouble. Um, because she's straight. Um, and I didn't learn anything from Um, but we, I kind of just like laid it all out there one night. Yes, I was drunk. That's not important. And I said, look, I need to stop hanging out with you. I'm really struggling do have such a crush on you. I really want to be but like, I don't think I can. And she said, What if I did too? I feel like I'm watching a film. I know and I said oh my god, because you know how you always like picture it in your head? You're like, this is what I want to happen. But then it actually happened. I was like oh f are Were you just like, sorry, what? Can you repeat that? I texted her this yeah? So you got the screenshots. Yeah and then I was like, should I come over, she was like yeah. And just made out that night. We also then got matching tattoos. Okay, okay, The U Haul has arrived. Yeah, but then it was kind of this like, awkward she was like, obviously was dealing then with her own sexual anyway, so we were going this back and forth like, will they, won't they smooch when we're drunk, etc, etc. I know! the lesbian longing! Um, and of course I just put myself through it cause I was like, nah, it's going Um, and then Janelle Monáe came out with this song and I just remember sending her the if you haven't seen it's about Janelle with Tessa fucking Thompson and this guy. Um, but it's all about how Janelle Monáe is essentially coming out as being is essentially coming out as being polyamorous. Absolutely, and it's so cool. It's like, that's the way you make me feel and it's like, she's being dragged between this girl and this guy. And it's so cool. So hot and so cool and the lighting is so bisexual and I just sent it to her and I was like This says everything and then like not long after that We started like actually and dating and just like we're both obsessed with this album And it really became like the album of our lives Relationship, I kind of feel like it makes me look back and go, that was a really hard and shitty time. And yes, it also ended badly and that's fine, but it was like this nice moment, especially for her too, with dealing with her I don't want to do that again. I don't want to be someone's coming out, but it was like just the perfect album to then be a visual album that we could sit down and watch and be like, hot. That's Tessa Thompson's in this and she wouldn't be anything shit. And they were also dating in real life. Sorry, wait. Tessa and Janelle. Okay, well I didn't know that. I yeah. Oh, I went into the deep lore of it all. Okay. okay. I've got so many thoughts on this album. I adore this album. I adore Janelle Monáe. I think it's probably, I love her really early stuff, but I think this is probably her strongest, like, most cohesive body of work. Like, no skip. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, nah, we were. So it ended in the sense that she was like, I think, enough, we work too much with So it ended in the sense that she was like, I think, just sexuality, like Um, so it did break it off, which I, that, you know how they say, like, your first love is like your puppy love. It teaches you about love. And your second heartbreak. You were going to die. Oh, I was broken. But I think it's also because it was such a like long, experience of like that longing and that will they, won't they, will they, what's happening, I don't know, and like The tension. and that can also be construed I think with love of that like excitement the depressing emotion. It's like well this is what love is because this is exciting, what's happening, I don't know, do they like me? And the hormones, the Oh horrible. Exhausting. Exhausting. I had a It's nap when we broke up. Um, but yeah so we, I acted badly, I think, in the breakup with the person. Yeah, I don't know. I just like the constant texting, constant calling, drunk darling, honey, you love me. Um, but then we got through it, became friends and now she works at my work. And I mean, we were hanging out the other We joke about it all, obviously, And do you want to know what this is? Girl P W R, bitch! W L Which I also think really sums up the album because it's about pink and it's about, you know, being a woman in a shitty world and being queer. Yeah. So that's how we got Girl Purr. Janice Affirm, thank you for sharing that incredible I did not see that story coming. Now, I think Janelle Monáe was always from day one, Somewhat queer coded in, of course, the androgynous appearance early on, um, always had a huge, uh, section of queer fans. But like you've already said, it really was on this album where she kind of came out outright and said, anything, baby. I love it all. And you hear that in the music, you see that in the visuals. And, um, The media she was doing in that time. She was being very explicit in like, I am polyamorous you say? she considers the album to be an homage to women and the spectrum of sexual identities and that is quite obvious aside from Make Me Feel, what would you say are your top standouts from the Grimes. I remember being in New York. Oh my god, this is so lesbian. Okay. I was, so, yeah. won't say a name. I won't say that. Um, the girl the person The person. I work with rhymes with shmallex. Yeah. Um, so we decided to be official girlfriends. Um, and then I was, and you went to New to New York. with my ex Ah! The first one. it in. We'd the puppy love ex. Yeah, the puppy love ex. Okay. we're like best friends to this day still. Um, so we went to, so I was sitting in New York with my ex, texting my girlfriend and cause Janelle was starting to like drop music videos like throughout this time and she released Pink and obviously if you've seen the visual, I was like, vaginas VAGINAS! just remember sending it to her. And it was like 2am Australia time. And I'm just like waiting for her to wake up. I'm you need to watch this. And then she had to go to work. I was like, you need to prioritize this now. Um, so yes, definitely Pink. and I like that. I love, I like, I like, I I like that. Yeah, I like that! Cause it's like, also about that, I mean, looking back at our relationship, like, it doesn't matter. It's like, I like that. Yeah. Who cares what, who fucking cares about genitals? It's chill. Um, the artist. Tell me about the artist and why you picked them. pick them? Well this one's quite stereotypical I feel, but I'm leaning into it. You haven't done or said anything stereotypical though in this episode so Yeah, well I think it's time. It's time time to remind us that you are a lesbian. Yes, and of course my artist is G Flip. Shock. Horror. You did the, you fulfilled the brief. yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I just didn't think that if people heard me addressed as prominent Sydney lesbian, they're like, but is she? But is she? And now this will really Tell me about G Flip. So, always been a G Flip fan. and then just them coming out as non binary and with having songs like, I'll be your man. Like I just think it was this really cool affirming thing for me. And cause I'm not, I'm not full non binary, but I'm like definitely not. A she, her, you know, you dip your toes. dip my toes. I'm like, what am I, what's my mood today? Like I don't feel more feminine. I don't do masculine. And I definitely in love my but but not all the time. So I definitely go by, she, they, it's the she they of it all, you know? So when G comes out with like songs like this, it's like, fuck yeah. Like Be your best self. Um, and also they're just so cool. Just like looking, they're hot, they're cool. They're dating Chrishell from Selling something. I was waiting. I wasn't gonna bring Chrishell up, but my god, when that got announced I was like, you're joking. Like this has to be a It sounds like something that an internet algorithm joke maker spat Yes, Like Aussie non binary drummer G Flip marries, an actress cum selling sunset real estate agent who was named after a petrol station. Yeah, Yeah, that's love, love is love. If you can date a non binary you can date Simmons. stations and here we go. That's the queer agenda. I just, I don't know. I just have always loved all of their music, like throughout their career and just seeing them They're like so popular now and it's cool. And they just, all of their fashion. I'm like, Oh, that's what I, that's what I want to look like. I would like that. Um, can see you've brought your drum kit with you today, so Well, I'm going to be performing, um, Jenna's lesbian experience on the drums later on today. Um, And just their confidence. Yes. And their music is just so fun and there's so many different emotions and you can just tell that it's so lesbian, you know? It's so lesbian, all of the lyrics Um, I don't know how eloquently, I just them. Yep, and that's all you need to what you need Uh, G Flip, I should know more about their in the levels of their international fame. I I should have done my research, but I wonder how big they are in like the UK and US for example. I think definitely being married to Kelle, has it helps? Hell, it won't hurt. Chris, help Let's leave those to me. Shout out to G Flip. Shout out to, I think we've all been witness to their extraordinary growth in fame and success over the last few years. The talent is there. I wasn't deeply familiar with the music until I binge listened today. And there's tunes, there's bangers. Do you have any standout favorites? oh, how could I not mention G Flip covering Cruel Summer by Taylor Swift and changing the pronouns to be about a girl? Oh my God. Okay. Cause sue me. I love Taylor Swift. I didn't, I didn't put it on my list, but I love Taylor Swift. Went to the concert. You know, stop attacking me, Andy. Andy. With my eyeballs. Um, so obviously that's a huge, one. gay for me, it's about being which is very similar to mine. That's very you, yes. And be your man. Be your man. Yeah, hot. Thank you very much for sharing. I've been on a journey. I've been on a very lesbian journey, which is what I signed up for. Have you got what you signed up for? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I, um, Yeah, I was thinking, I usually talk about 1x always, not always. She's gone mad at me once for not talking about her and I didn't talk about her until now. And I think that's growth. Okay, that is growth. not going to get mad. Yep, um, now, and I'll also just finally acknowledge, am I stereotyping here? Yes. Am I allowed to because I've got a queer music podcast? Maybe. We're, I'd say we're on like the younger end of the millennial spectrum. So we're still, you know, we know a lot of, you know, older music, but we're still learning. I do have to declare that in the last few months, I've been getting into KD Lang. on your journey of lesbian musical heritage, how, how deep or shallow are you into your own kd lang? Because it's inevitable. It will happen. I would say I'm shallow. However, have I or have you seen, this is hard because it's a podcast, but my comedy partner and I did, I've seen it. Yeah. Impersonate them. And also just, when I, you know, when I was Impersonate them and next time when you're invited back on, I'm not putting words into your mouth, but you know which artist to back on, you know, that's not the kind of putting words into your that. So talk You're not a real artist. Thanks. Who had it has just Sorry, I'm not going to talk about pink on a lesbian podcast, but she has just smashed some absurd Australian record for stadiums filled. She has just smashed absurd Australian labels. You've got G flip and P flip. G Flip. Thank you. Jenna, I'm, I'm, I'm auditioning. I want the three queers. very Great, thank you very much. what are you working on next, Jenna? on? Oh, I'm doing a show for I realized I accidentally plugged it at the start in a way. Um, it's called It's Not Funny, It's Private. And it's based on the week that I did stand up for the first time, got made redundant from my job, and my girlfriend that Um, so I did it for Sydney Fringe last year, not to brag, sold out. Um, and I'm doing two more shows, um, for Sydney Comedy Festival in May. And then I'm leaving and I'm moving to Melbourne. So everyone has to come if they want to see to see me. You really heard it here first, I'll probably Haven't even been told work yet. here! Nope! HR! Um, One of the most exciting things I can imagine about, um, putting together a show and putting it out to one audience and then later on doing it to like, you know, a bigger one is the, maybe the improvements that you make in between. Have you tweaked the show a lot from first, you know Can you say that, because you better believe in numbers added. Ah! Now there'll be not one, not two, but three musical numbers in someone that famously can't sing. But that won't let them stop them. I couldn't think of a better place to end this conversation. No, we're wrapping it up. Um, Jenna Saffirn, thank you so much for your tracks. And, you are queer, right? I just do it, to get funding. So I'm I'm actually straight, but I like get it. All right. Thank you very much. That's okay. That You can find Jenna and the two queers at links and this episode show notes, including links to where you can see her upcoming show. It's not funny. It's private. Tracks of our queers is presented and produced by me. Andy got entirely on unseated, Gadigal and Ngarigo Aboriginal land. You can email me your thoughts, recommendations or gay rumblings to tracks of our careers@gmail.com. See you next time.